Why does Apple unilaterally force periodic iCloud logins?

[Andy Burnelli]

*_Why_ does Apple unilaterally force periodic iCloud logins?*
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg> Deleting Siri stuff works
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg> Even iOS updates work
<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jpg> iOS 13.5 to iOS 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg> Can't download an app twice

Before the iKooks deny all things about Apple they hate, this isn't a
question of "does Apple do it" (because Apple does it).

*The question is _why_ does Apple do it?*
Q: Why does Apple periodically force an iCloud account log in?

HISTORY:
1. I never log into the iCloud tracker except that first time
(because you're _forced_ to log into the iCloud tracker)
2. I gave Apple bogus ID information & a one-time disposable password
(an approach which works just fine on Android by the way)
3. That one login worked for years (on my $300 Costo iPad anyway).
iPad (5th generation) Model Number MP2H2LL/A (A1822)

About two years ago...
A. Apple began to nag me to periodically log into the iCloud trackers
B. But I don't ever want to log into the iCloud trackers ever again
C. As a result, some things work; and yet, some things do not work

BACKGROUND:
I realize Apple always _already_ had the originally iCloud login.
So Apple can _still_ track almost everything that I do already.

*So _why_ is Apple unilaterally forcing yet another iCloud login attempt?*

EXAMPLES:
a. I can use Google Voice just fine; but not Facetime or iMessage.
b. I can download any free app just fine; but not re-download it ever again.
c. I can use Email just fine; but just not with the Apple Mail app.
d. I can delete my Siri and Dictation history; but not stored iCloud data.
e. I'm about to test if I can download the POS latest primitive iOS release.

Let's see what happens when I try to download a POS iOS release, shall we?
(admittedly, I don't update any OS unless there's something good in it
that I want, where iOS is _always_ filled with known bugs at every release
due to the primitive monolithic update mechanism guaranteeing they exist)
a. I'm on a 5th generation iPad A1822 with the POS iOS 13.5(17F15) version.
(Obviously I have "Automatic Updates" turned off, sensibly so.)
b. It has already been asking me to downloaded the POS iOS 15.3.1 release.
(Which, by the way, I know _already_ has huge published holes in it!)
(But Apple's primitive monolithic update mechanism guarantees holes!)
c. I hit the blue "Download and install" link & up pops the T&Cs to Agree
d. Then comes another "I agree to the iCloud Terms & Conditions" Agree
e. The update then says "Update requested" & then "Downloading" & then
"Preparing Update..." & finally (after a long wait) "Install Now".
f. Then, "Verifying update" (probably this is a bootloader check that
the OS is acceptable to the manufacturer) and then it reboots.
g. Black screen, Apple logo, white timeline grows ever so slowly.
h. Then black screen, Apple logo only
i. Then black screen, Apple logo, white timeline grows a bit faster
j. Then black screen and then hello in a bunch of languages
k. Then black screen one more time and when I tap I get hello again
l. OK. So I hit the homescreen button and it says
"Software Update Complete"
"Your iPad has been updated to iPadOS 15.3.1" (a buggy release)
m. I hit the blue "Continue" button & then it wants Touch ID
n. Fat chance. I hit "Set Up Touch ID Later" (where's the "never"?)
o. Then an "Are you sure you don't want to use Touch ID?"
p. I hit "Don's Use" & then it asks me to "Create a Passcode"
q. WTF? Do people live in the slums? I don't need a passcode.
s. I press "Passcode Options" & one choice is "Don't Use Passcode"
t. Aurgh. It pleads with me thinking I live in the Bronx Projects
u. It says "Using a Passcode is Highly Recommended" which I click
v. "Don't Use Passcode" & it moves to "Updating Apple ID Settings"
w. Up pops an "iPad Analytics" screen (yeah, right)
v. Finally a "Welcome to iPad" "Get Started" screen
w. And then... after all that... "Apple ID Verification"
x. Oh shit. Apple fucked up the user interface. Again. Sigh.
y. What is all that crap that I don't want and never will want?
z. I search for barcodeeasy in the App store & it's locked to the icloud

Apple has unilaterally restricted me because I haven't logged in for years.
While the iKooks will deny all facts they _hate_ about Apple, that's a fact.

The question in this thread is simply...
Why?

[Ant]

Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
back up default to iCloud.

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[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 13.02.22 um 07:26 schrieb Ant:

> Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
> back up default to iCloud.

iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.

Arlen is braindead and urgently needs a doc.

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[Ant]

In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 13.02.22 um 07:26 schrieb Ant:
> > Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
> > back up default to iCloud.

> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.

Windows still has iTunes.

[nospam]

In article <sua9bo$6sr$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.

only on mac. windows itunes still exists.

[Lewis]

In message <MrydnZCEGqk_OZX_...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
> back up default to iCloud.

No one is forced to use iCloud nor to login to iCloud. Arlen is, as
usual, full of shit.

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[Lewis]

In message <rIydnf4v8PKyKZX_...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 13.02.22 um 07:26 schrieb Ant:
>> > Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
>> > back up default to iCloud.

>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.

> Windows still has iTunes.

This is the iPhone group¹, not the Windows group.

¹ and the iPad group.

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[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 00:26:42 -0600, Ant wrote:

> Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
> back up default to iCloud.

Hi Ant,

Mine is a valid question.

And my question was backed up by facts.
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg> Deleting Siri recordings
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg> Running an iOS update

<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jpg> iOS 13.5 to iOS 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg> Can't download an app twice

Do you know how to download an app twice without logging into the iCloud for
a second time (given the first download didn't require typing the password)?

You're the only one who responded as an _adult_, which isn't surprising
since none of the iKooks have _any_ college education whatsoever. None.

They are so uneducated, they can't even _understand_ the question I asked.

I know Apple's strategy which is to get you to pay through the nose.
That's why they gave you only a puny amount of free iCloud storage, Ant.
And that's why Apple didn't give you any portable private storage options.

The question assumes Apple is _desperate_ to get you to log into the iCloud.
I get that, a priori.

The more direct question I probably should have asked to gain an answer is:
*How often do _you_ type your password into the iCloud?*

You're not an iKook so I assume you meant that seriously.
The iKooks don't realize they are led by the Apple leash.
They don't have the concept of a "fact".
All the iKooks know is what Apple fed them to believe, Ant.

I'm hoping you aren't an iKook.
I'm hoping you can comprehend facts.

This thread is asking why the FACTS that I observed, exist.
FACT: I can use my iPad for _most_ my apps (e.g., Google Voice)
FACT: I can even delete any Siri recordings (which shouldn't exist)
FACT: I can install any free app only once (*but never again*!)
FACT: I can even install the latest iOS (which I just did)
FACT: But I can't use the Apple tracking apps (e.g., iMessage)
FACT: And, iOS has been nagging me for two years to log in

Since Apple _knows_ the iCloud login was used once (years ago),
my question is _why_ is Apple _forcing_ a re-login years later?

You don't really know the answer, and there's zero chance of the iKooks even
understanding the question (none of the iKooks has _any_ education).

But one question you _should_ know the answer to is how often do _you_ type
your password into the iCloud?

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 02:42:34 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
>
> only on mac. windows itunes still exists.

I realize none of you iKooks knows anything about iOS where you can be
forgiven since not one of the iKooks has even so much as a college degree.

However the facts remain that I logged into the iCloud years ago, and about
two years ago Apple started nagging me to log in again for reasons unknown.

It's obvious none of you iKooks even knows how iOS works since you can't
even answer a _simple_ question of how to install a free app from the App
Store (which I can do), delete it, and then re-install it.

Despite you iKooks not never comprehending any facts, the question is valid.
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg> Siri recordings are deleted
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg> Apple sends me iOS updates
<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jpg> I can update the iOS version
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg> But can't download an app 2x

The question is valid even if you iKooks play kindergarten games all day.

Why does deleting Siri recordings & installing iOS downloads work; but,
you can't even use iMessage or Facetime anymore, nor install an app twice?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-02-13, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 13.02.22 um 07:26 schrieb Ant:
>>>

>>> Even iTunes' back up default to iCloud.
>
>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
>
> Windows still has iTunes.

And iTunes on Windows doesn't back up to iCloud either. Not sure where
you got this hair brained idea that iTunes backs up to iCloud, but it's
100% false.

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[nospam]

In article <sub970$e5d$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> However the facts remain that I logged into the iCloud years ago, and about
> two years ago Apple started nagging me to log in again for reasons unknown.

that's because they miss your gregarious and charming personality. you
really should log in and say hello.

> It's obvious none of you iKooks even knows how iOS works since you can't
> even answer a _simple_ question of how to install a free app from the App
> Store (which I can do), delete it, and then re-install it.

re-download it. duh.

if you've saved a copy locally, install it directly. also duh.

it's the same as any other platform.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:45:39 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> This is the iPhone groupน, not the Windows group.
> น and the iPad group.

The question is an _adult_ question, despite the kindergarten iKooks
treating every question they _hate_ about Apple for their amusement.

It's not a Windows question either (although Windows editors were used):

<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg> Deleting Siri stuff works
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg> Even iOS updates work
<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jpg> iOS 13.5 to iOS 15.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg> Can't download an app twice

The question is valid whether or not you _hate_ Apple procedures, Lewis:
*Why is Apple forcing a re-login years after the original login?*

Apple isn't going to tell you the answer as to why they force a re-login.
(You probably don't even realize that this is a fact.)

But one applicable question which will help get to a solution which even you
_should_ know the answer to is this question about logging into the iCloud:
*How often do _you_ manually log into the iCloud?*
--
The reason iKooks derail threads about how Apple works is that they _hate_
what Apple is (because it's not even close to what Apple _said_ they were).

[Andy Burnelli]

On 13 Feb 2022 15:49:15 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> And iTunes on Windows doesn't back up to iCloud either. Not sure where
> you got this hair brained idea that iTunes backs up to iCloud, but it's
> 100% false.

I know iKooks hate facts about Apple products (especially about iTunes);
but I can't help myself since I happen to have the education they don't.
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality

Regarding Apple logins and iTunes... I wonder if the iKooks realize that
Apple forces an "account" there also (which is a different account though)?

Yup.
a. Without iTunes, you don't need any account
b. With iTunes, you do

FACT:

Years ago, I used Windows' iTunes when I populated my iPods but I soon
learned that SharePod freeware worked _perfectly_ without iTunes.
a. With iTunes, you were restricted what you could copy
b. Without iTunes, you weren't

With SharePod freeware, you just slide any media file from any number of
Windows machines to any number of iPods (you don't need an "account").
a. With iTunes, you are restricted to "your" iPods only
b. Without iTunes, you are unrestricted (just like all nonApple devices are)

I realize Jolly Roger has no education so he won't even understand what I
said above, as not only do these iKooks have no education, but they actually
know absolutely nothing about iTunes (since they never tried NOT to use it).

The instant you add iTunes, you're _restricted_ as to what you can do
The instant you remove iTunes... Voila! You're free.
a. You can copy _any_ file
b. To and from _any_ iPod & computer (or phone or USB stick, etc.)
c. Without needing to match iTunes to the account on that iPod

Add iTunes on Windows... and you _instantly_ lose that functionality.
--
The iKooks don't understand how completely indoctrinated they are by Apple.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 13.02.22 um 08:33 schrieb Ant:

> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 13.02.22 um 07:26 schrieb Ant:
>>> Duh. Because Apple wants its users to use iClouds. Duh. Even iTunes'
>>> back up default to iCloud.
>
>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
>
> Windows still has iTunes.

Binary explosives ... *SCNR*

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 13.02.22 um 08:42 schrieb nospam:

This is not a $Windows-group$

[nospam]

In article <subbcu$iu3$2...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>

wrote:

> >> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
> >
> > only on mac. windows itunes still exists.
>
> This is not a $Windows-group$

it's also not a mac group.

the majority of ios users have a windows pc.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 10:55:35 -0500, nospam wrote:

> that's because they miss your gregarious and charming personality. you
> really should log in and say hello.

The record amply shows that when people post like adults, I treat them so.
The fact you still don't recognize that fact is that facts are lost on you.

I think the reason you can't comprehend the question is that you only do
things how Apple tells you to; hence you don't exercise independent thought.

I use my iPad the way I want to use my iPad, which is the same way I want to
use _all_ my computing devices - which is without any required logins.

But the instant you buy an iOS devise, you're _restricted_ to a login.
Same with iTunes by the way, which also restricts you to an account.

<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality

The reason I see "stuff" you can't imagine is I exercise independent
thought. I don't do things only how Apple wants me to do them - but how _I_
want to (and how they're done on all other platforms, other than on iOS).

You iKooks, on the other hand, _never_ exercise independent
Every single post from you iKooks, nospam, proves me correct.

You can't even _understand_ a simple question about how iOS works, nospam.
Let alone answer it as an educated _adult_ would.

>> It's obvious none of you iKooks even knows how iOS works since you can't
>> even answer a _simple_ question of how to install a free app from the App
>> Store (which I can do), delete it, and then re-install it.
>
> re-download it. duh.
>
> if you've saved a copy locally, install it directly. also duh.
>
> it's the same as any other platform.

I get it you don't know the answer, nospam.
But why do you always _pretend_ to know the answer?

That's what kindergarten kids do, nospam.
Not adults.

The question I ask is a fair question.

You saw my screenshots (even as you likely don't comprehend what they show):
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple requires frequent login
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> And requires frequent signin
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg> Apple won't let you back in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> You can install apps only 1x
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Yet everything else works ok
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Android requires no login
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Android messengers work ok
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple allows software updates
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple requires frequent login

The question in this thread is a valid question, nospam, even as you giggle
like a kindergarten kid and wave your hand at imaginary solutions, nospam.

You saw my screenshot on the fact that I can install but not re-install:
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg> You can't re-install an app

If you know iOS as well as you think you do, you'd be able to explain how.
*How do I re-install _that_ particular free app installed only days ago?*

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:30:10 -0500, nospam wrote:

> the majority of ios users have a windows pc.

Once in a while, nospam guesses correctly (which even the uneducated iKooks
can do since all they _can_ do, is guess given they don't know iOS at all).

To nospam's point, I used the Windows PC native file manager to copy the
iPad screenshots over USB without needing the iTunes abomination to do it.

The Windows iTunes is an abomination for many well-known obvious reasons:
a. Windows' iTunes _reduces_ functionality the instant you install it
(but you gain that functionality back the instant you uninstall it)
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

b. Windows' iTunes is the canonical definition of unnecessary bloatware
(can anyone spell "Quicktime" or "Bonjour" for example?)
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=remove+windows+itunes+bloatware>

c. Windows' iTunes is almost completely untested for vulnerabilities
(Apple doesn't even test Safari, so why would they bother with iTunes?)
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/hftPQAEZr_g>

But this question isn't about iTunes which Ant mistakenly brought up.

The fact remains that a user can't re-install an app without logging in.
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg>

The question in the SUBJECT is why?
--
I realize none of the iKooks has any answer above kindergarten level.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 17:23:33 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

>>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
>>
>> Windows still has iTunes.
>
> Binary explosives ... *SCNR*

Adults will notice the iKooks can't respond at any level above kindergarten.

The fact remains that a user can't re-install an app without logging in.
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg>

The _adult_ question in the SUBJECT is why?
--
I realize none of the iKooks are able to respond above kindergarten level.

[nospam]

In article <subdue$n87$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> It's obvious none of you iKooks even knows how iOS works since you can't
> >> even answer a _simple_ question of how to install a free app from the App
> >> Store (which I can do), delete it, and then re-install it.
> >
> > re-download it. duh.
> >
> > if you've saved a copy locally, install it directly. also duh.
> >
> > it's the same as any other platform.
>
> I get it you don't know the answer, nospam.

that *is* the answer, for all platforms.

either you have a local backup copy or you re-download it.

very simple.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:43:53 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> No one is forced to use iCloud nor to login to iCloud.

Whenever the iKooks respond, the _adults_ on this newsgroup have to ask...
*How can Lewis always be so _confident_ and yet, always so very wrong?*

FACTS that Lewis is completely and utterly ignorant of are:
a. The fact remains Apple is forcing a "re-logging in" of the iCloud account
<https://i.postimg.cc/gj0r2cBP/osupdate01.jp g>

b. Even as the user can remove Siri recordings _without_ re-logging in.
<https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ0XP71/osupdate02.jpg>

c. The user can also install a new iOS release _without_ re-logging in.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nLjqk2HD/osupdate03.jpg>

d. In fact, everything works fine _except_ certain Apple communication apps.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>

e. Apple won't even allow you to wipe out the old account & start anew.
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg>

f. The result is the user can't re-install an app after deleting it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg>

The _adult_ question in the SUBJCT line is why.
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJPKDSZ1/osupdate04.jpg>
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[Arlendy Burneldi]

Ant wrote:

> Andy Burnelli a.k.a. Arlen Holder wrote:


Feed, feed me do
You know I troll you
I'll always need food
So please, feed me do
Whoa, feed me do

Someone who'll bite
Somebody new
Someone not too bright
Someone like you

[Ant]

In comp.mobile.ipad Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 13.02.22 um 08:42 schrieb nospam:
> > In article <sua9bo$6sr$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
> >
> > only on mac. windows itunes still exists.

> This is not a $Windows-group$

So? This is an iPad newgroup. There are iPad and iPhone users who use Windows.
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[sms]

On 2/13/2022 3:00 PM, Ant wrote:
> In comp.mobile.ipad Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 13.02.22 um 08:42 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <sua9bo$6sr$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
>>>
>>> only on mac. windows itunes still exists.
>
>> This is not a $Windows-group$
>
> So? This is an iPad newgroup. There are iPad and iPhone users who use Windows.

“Do not correct a fool or he will hate you; correct a wise man, and he
will appreciate you.” ― Bruce Lee

[Hank Rogers]

Ant wrote:
> In comp.mobile.ipad Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 13.02.22 um 08:42 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <sua9bo$6sr$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
>>>
>>> only on mac. windows itunes still exists.
>
>> This is not a $Windows-group$
>
> So? This is an iPad newgroup. There are iPad and iPhone users who use Windows.
>

Watch out, or you'll get him all mad :)

[Your Name]

iTunes still exists on my Mac ... because it's running High Sierra. :-)

I use iTunes to backup our iPad before installing any updates, just in
case it goes wrong.

We do not use iCloud for anything and don't need nor want it. The iPad
constantly whines about using iCloud with the Settings having a "1" on
it's Dock icon, but that's easy to just ignore and from time to time I
bother going in to tell it to go away.

[Ant]

In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Your Name <Your...@yourisp.com> wrote:
> On 2022-02-14 00:15:13 +0000, Hank Rogers said:
> > Ant wrote:
> >> In comp.mobile.ipad Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> >>> Am 13.02.22 um 08:42 schrieb nospam:
> >>>> In article <sua9bo$6sr$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> iTunes does not exist anymore for many years.
> >>>>
> >>>> only on mac. windows itunes still exists.
> >>>
> >>> This is not a $Windows-group$
> >>
> >> So? This is an iPad newgroup. There are iPad and iPhone users who use Windows.
> >
> > Watch out, or you'll get him all mad :)

> iTunes still exists on my Mac ... because it's running High Sierra. :-)

> I use iTunes to backup our iPad before installing any updates, just in
> case it goes wrong.

Good idea. I do this all the time. It's good to have local updated back ups.

> We do not use iCloud for anything and don't need nor want it. The iPad
> constantly whines about using iCloud with the Settings having a "1" on
> it's Dock icon, but that's easy to just ignore and from time to time I
> bother going in to tell it to go away.

Ditto.
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[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 14.02.22 um 06:31 schrieb Your Name:

> iTunes still exists on my Mac ... because it's running High Sierra. :-)

Why doesn't that surprise me? *ROTFLSTC*

> I use iTunes to backup our iPad before installing any updates, just in
> case it goes wrong.

A methode from the very distant past.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 14.02.22 um 06:47 schrieb Ant:

> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Your Name <Your...@yourisp.com> wrote:
>> I use iTunes to backup our iPad before installing any updates, just in
>> case it goes wrong.
>
> Good idea. I do this all the time. It's good to have local updated back ups.

Bad idea. Absolutely unnecessary and too much time consuming.
Here it is done automatically in the WLAN (Wifi) constantly and continously.

This NG is really a geriatric club ... *SCNR*

[Andy Burnelli]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 23:47:55 -0600, Ant wrote:

>> I use iTunes to backup our iPad before installing any updates, just in
>> case it goes wrong.
>
> Good idea. I do this all the time. It's good to have local updated back ups.

Ant,

This is an _adult_ warning, which, since you're not an iKook, I hope you
appreciate as the warning below only applies to the primitive iOS OS.

Bear in mind that you need to also back up your IPAs.
Each and every one. (best is locally because iTunes is restrictive)

BTW, this backup is only needed on iOS because of primitive restrictions.
Android has _none_ of these iOS primitive restrictive backup restrictions.

But, since you're on iOS, you're fucked if you don't back up your IPAs.
a. At any time Apple can prevent you from re-installing that app.
b. And at any time the app IPA (or the version you like) may disappear.

None of this happens on modern mobile operating systems such as Android.
It's only a problem on the outdated rather primitive iOS operating system.

Be forewarned.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:07:39 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Bad idea. Absolutely unnecessary and too much time consuming.
> Here it is done automatically in the WLAN (Wifi) constantly and continously.
>
> This NG is really a geriatric club ... *SCNR*

What's interesting about these uneducated iKooks is this observation:
a. The uneducated nospam iKook claims you _must_ back up the IPA
(if you want to have any hope of re-installing it, as per the SUBJECT)
b. And then the uneducated iKook Joerg claims you don't need a backup

Why is it that everything these uneducated iKooks claim shows they lack any
knowledge whatsoever of _how_ iOS actually works?